You made my day with that one. I love a good wordsmith.



You mean there is actually intelligent reasoning why you don't just hand your work over to everyone? Who'd-a-thunk! When I noticed you responded in this thread I was sad for a split second hoping you weren't hopelessly trying to defend yourself against the ingrates. No amount of logic or reasoning will satisfy their hunger.

I know right? How dare people who visit this forum want EQClassic.

Let's be honest, released server code would most likely just end up at P99 where they already have a pretty solid data base and player base. It would let purists have their skies and spell particles while still having a consolidated classic community.

Something needs to be done with YL's work, if not it's like Tesla's secrets going to waste.

You are assuming my database's schema has much in common with PEQ's, which it does not; mapping their data to my schema would be a nightmare. Harakiri also wrote his own LUA scripting engine, which is incompatible with EQEmu's PERL engine, thus all of PEQ's scripts are mostly useless. You are also assuming people want to actually play in the Trilogy client. Ask the testers how difficult it was to go back to this, especially those familiar with EQTitanium and beyond. Finally, you are assuming people would blindly replace their server code with ours. Regardless of superior mechanic implementations, we have not had years of play go through our work, thus it is ripe with exploitation possibilities.

Sounds like the EQC team needs to get back to work then!

Amirite?

Who exactly are the 'ingrates'? What exactly has been provided to anyone that anyone could possibly be ungrateful for here?

IDK but he came across as the biggest sycophant of the thread thus far.

Regardless, YL if you really were 100% no fucks given about the project, why bother checking this thread muchless replying to it?

In other news SOE is shutting down EQMac making your project more important than ever YL

I thought you were just bullshitting but I checked and it is legit shutting down in November. Crazy.

Edit:
Apparently players cheat with hacks and they don't want to waste man power on a free game.

He is right, the client was tough to get back into! This coming from someone who plays EQMac regularly. It just doesn't scale well with today's setups. The original EQ client had a LOT of shit wrong with it and the player base would be pretty much the hardcore only.

That being said, it ran great. Pathing was awesome, aggro eventually became decent, all the little play mechanics ran very, very well. This is far from vaporware and I am sad to see that it will never see the light of day. Between this and the news of EQMac shutting down I am at a loss. I feel like I am losing an old, best friend and I can do nothing about it. It sucks :-\.

Hopefully, one day, there will be some true classic EQ servers or even a custom server based off of EQ that is awesome. Until then I guess all of us will have to dream and hope that EQNext turns out to be decent and not a pile of shit like EQ2.

Yeahlight, I hope you reconsider. If you do count me in to still follow and see what becomes of this.

Read YL's posts, and a few others.

Whatever you do YL, I support you. You worked hard and for no pay. Some people here are opinionated. I am one of them. But entitlement? It boggles my mind how people could feel entitled... Hmmm...

I think the nostalgia rush and the expectation may have risen to unhealthy levels in some, and yes, YL is right, much of what is left in the EQ-classic-emulated community isn't Grade-A. Seeing some of the stuff on P-ninety-9... I don't blame YL.

If it happens great, if not bummer. Either way YL shouldn't be blamed.

Harakiri, thoughts?

hmmm....well that sucks.

My profile page says I haven't logged in since April 4th of this year. Seems about right, I've been playing Planetside 2 pretty hard core and didn't have time for other games. Actually these forums were in large part the reason why I was even willing to give SoE another chance and give them my money in the first place. Finally though my Planetside 2 is tailing off, I get a tip to check these forums, and see this mess.

A bunch of people here should be ashamed of themselves. I was feeling pretty bad about not contributing to the testing phases, but it seems plenty of the community was ruining things just fine without me.

As for custom content, it would have been awesome, better than the original in fact. As I've always stated ( viewtopic.php?f=53&t=2675 viewtopic.php?f=53&t=2989 ), I was more interested in the original experience than the original game itself. Even if it was possible to get the original game, which it seems it is not, it wouldn't be possible to get the feel back, unless the content was different, because the feel came from not knowing what was coming at you next, and not knowing what quests to do, and not knowing what loot would drop, etc.

While I still hope HK (and YL if he decides to return) will go ahead with a custom content server, perhaps one that closely mirrors original EQ without being precisely like it (I haven't read enough of the forums to know what was proposed), I suggest most of you go play some modern games. They're fun. Games like Star Citizen are being developed with principles people like us admire. Its better than arguing on forums and in PMs with people who seem to have nothing better to do.

When your first choice isn't available, you should select your next best alternative. Why you guys shit all over your next best alternative is the same reason why expecting people to be rational actors when making decisions is fundamentally flawed. Stop shitting all over your next best alternative.

As a former developer of a server I can completely sympathize with what occurred to YL. Furthermore I would not be surprised if it is an organized group of individuals attempting to stop any potential competition to a classic emulated experience that caused YL to get to this point as it mirrors similar situations our staff had to deal with.

Let's be clear about one thing: YL owes no one anything. Individuals who perform these undertakings have many hurdles that they have crossed, and to be met with nothing but entitled children can drive even the most intelligent and gifted individuals to stop caring, regardless of the amount of work put in.

Thank you YL for the time and effort you put forward, it is far more than many can claim.

toop complaining about p99 sinking his server, thats hilarious.

Yeahlight, i've always respected you as a developer since following this project. Furthermore, i respect your decision to step away from YOUR project and YOUR code because you aren't able to do things the way you had initially planned. Those are your decisions, and you have every right to make them.

You're going to have to take responsibility for them, though.

Not sure why you're so surprised people are mad - personally, I'm not, because after my posts ~a year ago i realized this project wasn't going to come to fruition. When you expressed your disinterest in setting up a classic DB, that was a dead giveaway this server wouldn't happen. But there are a lot of people who followed you (and still do, apparently) and your project ONLY because they thought they'd get a chance to see your Classic EQ. You led them to believe they would one day get a chance to see the first three expansions the way they were meant to be seen. I can understand why people are upset.

If your intention was to only launch a server with Verant's original classic database, that was foolish. I know for a fact they don't even have those DB's anymore. And you were fully aware you weren't going to make your own DB (just monkeys pulling levers, right?).

For everyone who is complaining, take a step back from keyboard and think for a minute. I understand you feel disenfranchised by this decision, and you probably should. But also realize what it takes to run a fully populated classic EQ server. It's not just setting up the code, clicking run, and watching the pbase shoot up. It takes time, it takes PEOPLE, it takes DB work, there are so many factors that go into the upkeep of a classic EQ server and run it well.

There's FOUR YEARS of DB work put into p99 alone, and it's still not perfect (and probably never will be 100% classic). If I was in YL's position, i'd probably have made the same call.

Not going to criticize you anymore YL, I respect your decision and I think people need to stop whining about it. But realize that in a situation like this, you're kind of obligated to take some flak for your decision. Dont let it get to you or upset you, and especially don't bother responding to these posts. You're just feeding the trolls.

Tons of respect, pal. GL in your future endeavors.

also, LOL again @ toop. you're a source of so much entertainment

So a year ago you realized this project wouldn't come to fruition but you come here a year later to criticize the project you knew wasn't going to work?

Sounds... logical... for a troll who feels the need to type things on a keyboard.

lol @ toop, he's like a celebrity of the eqemu community.

excuse me sir, i do believe this is not the place for you to be insulting people and calling them trolls, ty.

In response to your question, yes, i came back to share my opinion and thoughts like many others did. if you didn't like them, you may feel free to engage in intelligent discourse with me here, but if you'd prefer to just flame, you may go somewhere else.

Says the guy who just said:





Again, your logic prevails... if you are a troll who likes to type things on keyboards.

The premise of this project was to create a legitimate trilogy server. The fact that doing so would at some point still require certain consents and even assistance from "that company" is what presumably will forever keep this project from seeing fruition. Perhaps the worst thing that can be said about all of this is that MAYBE these two aspects of the project were not made obvious to the community as a whole.

Then again, this community has only ever existed in terms of 1000's of onlookers observing one primary individual (and a smattering of others) attempt to recreate a masterpiece. Anyone with the audacity to berate the workers for not completing the project to their liking clearly never understood what their role here actually was.

I defended this project so many times, to so many people, on so many websites!!!!!!!

But I will say that if I would have known from the beggining that the surival of this project relied on SOE cooperating.....well then, I would have to say I would have not donated to the hours that YL put in and I probably wouldn't have registered to be a moderator, or have over 1,500 posts on these forms....

I probably would have been like "ok, that looks cool....but it's probably never going to happen" and check in every six months or so because the chances of this becomming a reality would have been slim to none..........

And it looks like it's none!

Dude, pull your shit together.

Hara is going to run things now, and he has fully intended on launching a truly "classic" server from the get-go. It's Yeahlight that wanted to go a different route.

So your dreams can still be a reality under the Hara helm.

I'd like to thank YL, H and everyone else who passionately put so much work into this project on the promise that some of us could possibly relive some great past memories in one of the most significant and important entries in the history of computer games.

It was a fantastic idea, this virtual time machine. It's a shame that not everyone understands what it is to be a community.

If I remember correctly you were donating for a charitable cause. The hours put towards the project was just an added bonus to help get support. If being a moderator and having 1500 posts made you feel cool and that's all ruined now it might be a good time to re evaluate your priorities. Not trying to make you feel bad but your reply made me sad.